De ZZ à CCA, et autres obscurs éléments

Démarré par avenger, 26 Février 2010 à 20:09:16

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hebiko

si je calcule bien, dans a peu près 3 ans on aura vu la série.  :doro2:
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Archange Noir

Je suis la Fin du Commencement et le Commencement de la Fin.

Mes maquettes MG

Milo

Des trucs comme 0080 ou Macross Zero se sont bien étalés aussi, il me semble.
"J'adore trop les doubleurs japonnais de la nouvelle saison de ce manga."

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flobo

Citation de: Jefferson le 27 Février 2010 à 13:42:16
Euh, depuis quand c'est le but d'Amuro ?

Faire quelque de malsain et avoir des remords sont deux choses différentes. Il sait que ce qu'il fait est mal mais ne revient jamais dessus.

Mais ça n'a rien d'officiel ou de canonique.

PS : Faudra peut-être déplacer les post parce que ça commence bien à faire HS.
En effet, il faudrait peut être créer un sujet sur la transition ZZ/CCA car les posts qui en parlent sont mélangés ici, dans le topic ZZ et dans celui de CCA, ca fait un peu bazar.

Archange Noir

C'est bien d'avoir fait ce sujet, mais il faudrait peut-etre faire le tri dans les messages, car à un moment on parle de la parution de Unicorne.
C'est d'ailleurs moi qui lance le sujet.
Je suis la Fin du Commencement et le Commencement de la Fin.

Mes maquettes MG

flobo

Je reposte ici le plan original de ZZ vu que ca correspond bien plus.
Je précise aussi qu'il y a DEUX sources différentes, la 1ere partie est une idée abandonnée pendant la réalisaiton de la série, tandis que la 2e correspond au plan de tomino pour la deuxième saison de zeta gundam.
[spoiler]The original plan for the second half of the series was that the Axis forces would stage an invasion of Earth using ballutes and HRSL capsules, landing a large force of mobile suits without any motherships or support vehicles. Designs were commissioned for a variety of amphibious mobile suits - the Zaku Mariner, the Gaza Mariner, the Methuss Mariner - which both sides would use to secure their splashdown sites and escort their landing forces safely to dry land. The mobile suit forces would then have to make their way over land in caravan formation; the Mission ZZ book notes that it's impossible to operate flying platforms like the Dodai and Base Jabber without a support base on the ground, so instead we'd have a lot of a ground convoys centered around vehicles like the Zaku Tanker.

At this point, the plan was that the Axis landing forces would consist largely of upgraded One Year War-era mobile suits. Specifically, these would be space mobile suits retrofitted for ground combat; for example, the Dowadge was originally supposed to be a ground version of the Pezun Dowadge, which is why it has the same name, and the original design for the Desert Zaku was based on the MS-06R High Mobility Type rather than the One Year War-era MS-06D Zaku Desert Type. Many of these Axis mobile suits, such as the Zaku Mariner, were meant to be variations of a new "final model" of the Zaku series known as the Zaku III. However, since the Zaku III itself hadn't been designed yet, the designers just assumed it would look pretty much like the standard Zaku II and figured they could match up the details later.

Then, at the last minute, the writers changed their plans and decided to just give all the spaceships Minovsky craft systems so that they could carry their mobile suits down to Earth. This eliminated any need for ballutes and HRSL capsules, not to mention amphibious mobile suits to secure the landing sites. And since the Axis ships would be loaded with the same mobile suits that had already appeared in the first half of the show, all the Dom and Zaku variants that were in the design process suddenly became leftover One Year War machines operated by Zeon remnants who had stayed behind on Earth. (Any postwar technology they possessed, like the huge beam cannon carried by the Dowadge Kai, was explained away as booty plundered from Federation bases.)

The Zeta Plus, which was meant to appear during the Dakar battle, was eliminated for other reasons. Since there was already a Gundam team aboard the Argama, the writers were worried that adding even more Gundams into the mix would simply confuse the viewers. They had also decided to push the rest of the AEUG and Karaba forces into the background, which is why the Sturm Dias, originally meant for use by elite AEUG special forces, ended up being given to Zeon loyalists instead. In the end, the only new AEUG/Karaba machine to appear in the story was the GM III.

And finally, a note regarding the Zaku III. As noted above, the original plan was that this would simply be a "final type" of the Zaku II, which had remained in use because its versatile design allowed it to be customized for things like desert and water environments. Designer Masahiro Oda seized on the idea of the Zaku as being an all-purpose, infinitely extensible machine, and his design for the Zaku III became more and more grandiose as he came up with options like anti-ship mega cannons and extension boosters. By the time Oda started coming up with upgrades like a chest-mounted hi mega cannon and optional funnel containers, the staff decided that the Zaku III had become too all-purpose, and these features were assigned to separate machines like the Geymark and Doven Wolf instead. (Incidentally, Oda was also the main writer of the original MSV profiles, and it seems likely that his concept for the "final type" Zaku III is similar to what he had in mind when he originally described the MS-06R-3 Zaku III in the MSV kit manuals. Even its white-and-gray color scheme is similar to what Oda is said to have intended for the MSV incarnation.)
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Zeta Gundam Part 2

Which centers around a 13 yr old boy Judau Ashta a story where you see Judau become a MS pilot fighting against Haman's Independent Force Manibaring. Judau becomes first newtype (don't ask me what this means) and leaves a msg to the Earthnoids and leaves for Mars. The story starts out similar to ZZ. Scirocco is dead and EFF becoming pro-AEUG with Haman aiming for Earth. Bright and Emma (she isn't dead) were able to secure a place in Shangria to do repairs. Camille is taken to a hospital. Judau is apparently a bad kid, who is part of a bike gang called Gigaa. Judau successfully stole Zeta after fighting Bright and Emma then Haman's independent force Manivaring entered the colony. First, Judau agrees to destroy Ahgama after talking with Manivaring. However, Fa and Emma convinces him and he ends up protecting Ahgama. Anways it becomes Judau in Zeta vs Manivaring inside the colony with Emma piloting Mk II as well. Roux shows up from La Vie En Rose and Elbow Smash shows up. Elbow is an AE technician. Oh ya, members of Gigaa joins Ahgama crew. Apparently Gigaa and Ahgama crew don't like each other. Emma might die (don't ask me). Haman and Bright met or got close enough to have a dialog. Bright rejects Haman's offer about agreeing to the Zabi family's return. Judau kicks all the weak members of the Ahgama crew to La Vien Rose and now Gigaa controls Ahgama. Next is a plan to retake Shangria. Apparently Bright and Ahgama are successful at the retake. Behind the scenes Char helped out with this as his last salute to the crews of Ahgama. Camille becomes missing and Fa returns to Ahgama. the scenario switches to Earth, where Bright heads there to talk with the Earth Federation Forces. The EF official tells him, "Char is going to monitor Haman." in response to Bright's displeasure about giving Haman Side 3. Judau becomes pissed and punched the EF official. Judau is jailed. Amuro, Hayato, Beltochika came up a plan to rescue Judau and do so. From them, they hear Camille is at Hong Kong (doing something. sorry the kanji is too blurry). Haman laughed at Bright and Judau's debacle. Ok, Haman Kahn's dictatorship started and she began to purge any that resisted. She also worked on a plan to take over Earth. Judau and Roux infiltrates the colony and is suprised at the fact they don't feel Char's presence. They only feel Haman's dictatorship. Judau recognizes that Haman is going after Earth. So he decides to kidnap Mineva but fails. Haman's force centering around Axis heads toward Earth. EFF panicking asks for any help. It says that Fa might become the next Emma (Fa bitchslap!). It also says that Char hasn't killed Haman because he was too busy commanding a force responsible for assassinating all of Earth Federation high officials. After the EF government passes a legislature giving a go sign for Space Migration, Char joins Haman's force. Mineva is happy about Char's return. Char kills Haman when her force was about to attack Earth. During this Bright rescues Mineva. In the last battle, the whole world sees Judau's NT thingy. Judau apparently says something like "being selfish won't free the people and Char's way is selfish too". Char agreed to what Judau said and he actually has a long quote here (which I don't feel like translating, something like people being able to understand each other and able to conquer space, blah blah blah). Camille heard this. The story ends with Judau joining the Mars exploration and Mineva going to Earth.
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